Thursday, August 5, 2010

New Yorkers Oppose Ground Zero Mosque--UPDATED

Legally speaking, Muslims have every right to build a mosque near Ground Zero. But, that doesn't make it right. It's interesting that Muslims demand that us Americans show respect and deference to their faith. But, respect should be a two-way street.

Building a mosque so close to where Muslims killed 3,000 Americans, based on what their Koran teaches, is the height of insensitivity . NYC is a huge city. Surely, Muslims could find another location for a mosque.

How will a Muslim mosque and community center heal relations between the United States and Muslims when so many Americans are outraged by the plans for a mosque on this sacred ground? I'd say relations are taking a turn for the worse.

The radical imam behind the plan to build this mosque once said that America was "an accessory to 9/11" and that "Osama bin Laden was made in the USA". He also refused to acknowledge that Hamas is a terrorist organization and is linked to the flotilla which tried to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza. And just exactly who will be financing this venture? Saudi Arabia?

Read about a poll of New Yorkers and what they think about the Ground Zero mosque, via the Weekly Standard:

61% of New Yorkers Oppose Ground Zero Mosque
BY Daniel Halper

"A new poll from Siena finds that 61 percent of New York residents and 56 percent of New York City residents oppose the proposed Ground Zero mosque. Only 33 percent of NYC residents support it. Here's the breakdown:


'By a margin of 61 to 26 percent, New Yorkers oppose the proposal to build the Cordoba House, a multi-story Muslim Cultural Center in lower Manhattan two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center according to a new survey released today from the Siena College Research Institute (SRI). New Yorkers have been following the new Arizona immigration law very closely and 52 percent support passing a similar law here in the Empire State. Seventy percent of New York residents say that the presence of 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants poses a somewhat (30%) or very significant (40%) problem to the U.S., and large majorities call for comprehensive immigration reform that would include enhanced border security (79%), the creation of a process for admitting legal temporary workers (70%), and implementing a tough but fair path to legalization for those already here (65%).'"


Once again, our politicans are ignoring the wishes of their constituents. They don't give a rip what we want.

The real question is: Will the radical imam find construction workers who are willing to participate in the construction of the Ground Zero mosque?

From Jihad Watch:

"For once -- for once -- let's see Islam give something back to the rest of the world"



From Atlas Shrugs:




UPDATE: Well, what have we here? Not so fast: Planners of Islamic supremacist Ground Zero mega-mosque don't own the whole site

UPDATE: Follow the funding trail

UPDATE: "We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation"

UPDATE: Doug Giles to CAIR top dog: "What's next, Awad? Are you going to demand a Nidal Malik Hasan Avenue on Ft. Hood's military base?"

9 comments:

Diogenes said...

Would I prefer a different spot? Yes.

Do my wishes count for anything? No.

This isn't about "our politicans are ignoring the wishes of their constituents". Constitutional rights don't depend upon the vagaries of a popularity poll. It's easy to "defend" our Constitution it's a popular choice to be made, and tougher to bite the bullet and accept something less palatable.

Doing what our Constitution demands isn't supposed to necessarily be easy. But it's right.

Diogenes said...

You want to hear the view of the mayor of New York City, Michael Bloomberg? He said it better than anybody:

"This morning, the City’s Landmark Preservation Commission unanimously voted not to extend landmark status to the building on Park Place where the mosque and community center are planned. The decision was based solely on the fact that there was little architectural significance to the building. But with or without landmark designation, there is nothing in the law that would prevent the owners from opening a mosque within the existing building. The simple fact is this building is private property, and the owners have a right to use the building as a house of worship.

“The government has no right whatsoever to deny that right – and if it were tried, the courts would almost certainly strike it down as a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Whatever you may think of the proposed mosque and community center, lost in the heat of the debate has been a basic question – should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion? That may happen in other countries, but we should never allow it to happen here. This nation was founded on the principle that the government must never choose between religions, or favor one over another.

“The World Trade Center Site will forever hold a special place in our City, in our hearts. But we would be untrue to the best part of ourselves – and who we are as New Yorkers and Americans – if we said ‘no’ to a mosque in Lower Manhattan."

http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.c0935b9a57bb4ef3daf2f1c701c789a0/index.jsp?pageID=mayor_press_release&catID=1194&doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2F2010b%2Fpr337-10.html&cc=unused1978&rc=1194&ndi=1

Debra Moore said...

As usual, Diogenes, you are missing my point. Yes, what they are planning is legal, but you fail to acknowledge the insensitivity of the imam behind this mosque. By his actions, he is encouraging Islamophobia. Can you please at least admit that?

Diogenes said...

Actually, I doubt he's encouraging all that much additional Islamophobia. The cretins who are howling at the moon about this Islamic center are already pretty much Islamophobes.... you're typical of that ilk. People that are not idealogical enemies of all things Muslim -- even if they're not wild about the center -- will not likely hold this against Islam as a religion, or even those Muslims building and manning this center.

You DO realize that there's a Muslim chapel right INSIDE the Pentagon, don't you? Where's all your pseudo-righteous indignation about that?

No, you clowns are just as much religious extremists as are the jihadists in Islam. You claim you're all for the free enterprise system and personal liberties right up to the point where somebody does something you disagree with. THEN you want the full power of the government to come down on their heads!

"Personal freedom"... unless a woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy. Then the government needs to stop it.

"Personal freedom"... unless a gay couple want to have their union legally recognized. Then the government needs to stop it.

"Personal freedom"... unless somebody so much as mentions the words "sex" or "Communism" in a school, without a "no" planted in front of it. Then the government needs to stop it.

Debra Moore said...

You have a point in that people of my mindset are well aware of the Islamic agenda and oppose it whether there is a Ground Zero mosque or not. But, that is not the case for the large numbers of New Yorkers who are outraged by the planned mosque. Are you telling me that all these people are Islamophobes? No way is that the case. The imam is inflaming the situation.

As to mosques elsewhere, Muslims have the right to build them. That's fine. I don't particularly like that fact because I know people are being led into darkness, but I support freedom of religion.

Diogenes said...

"Mosques elsewhere"? E;sewhere? Like the same building that was attacked on 9/11? Not a few blocks away... the SAME BUILDING!

As for creating more Islamophobes? No. "Islamophobia" is a FEAR of Islam. I don't think that anybody who is upset by the construction of this Muslim center is now AFRAID of Islam.

I think that that Muslim community would have been better served by making a different decision as to the location of their center. But, rather than hating them or fearing them, I see it as an opportunity to be thankful we have the system we do have in America. Newt made a big deal about Saudi Arabia not allowing Christian churches, so we shouldn't allow an Islamic center near Ground Zero. I think it's just more evidence that WE ARE BETTER than Saudi Arabia and countries like them. We tolerate things we don't like in this country --stuff that a lot of other countries would never allow -- because that's what America is supposed to do. That's what America was DESIGNED to do.

Debra Moore said...

I forgot to address the "personal freedom" comments.

The govt should ban abortion because it is murder. A child is a child whether in the womb or just delivered. There should be laws to protect the child.

I happen to support civil unions. But, I don't think marriage should be changed to include gays.

As to sex, children should not be bombarded with it. This is a moral issue, and parents should have some say.

Communism has a history of brutality. It is wrong to promote it when millions of lives were lost because of the horrors of Communism. It takes a real low-life to support it and not tell the truths behind it.

Debra Moore said...

When I say "elsewhere", I mean a location that is not within several miles from Ground Zero. NYC is huge; there are many options, yet the imam intentionally chose that site because it was near America's 9/11 graveyard, and he did it to stick our faces in their jihad victory.

Diogenes said...

You really ARE that ignorant, aren't you?

"When I say "elsewhere", I mean a location that is not within several miles from Ground Zero. NYC is huge..."

Manhattan is about 13 1.2 miles long and 3 1/2 miles wide, at its widest point. (The southern tip, wherethe WTC stood, is the narrowest point.) Central Park is all of three blocks wide. Several blocks north of the WTC site, you can stand on one side of the street in Chinatown, cross the street, and be in Little Italy. You can't even SEE the WTC site from the site of the proposed Islamic center; you have to walk to the end of the block and then look two blocks away to see the WTC barricades.

No, sorry, NYC may be huge in terms of population, but it is NOT huge in area, at least not in Manhattan.

It's private property, and the owners should be able to do whatthey wish with it, as long as it doesn't violate any laws or zoning regulations. Move along.