From American Life League, via One News Now:
"American Life League exposes the bias and hypocrisy of the main-stream media following the murder of abortionist George Tiller."
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Keep hammering Dr. Tiller, the murder VICTIM.
Avoid all mention of the Religius Rightwingnut who murdered Dr. Tiller on a Sunday morning in his own church.
Hypocrite.
Tiller may have been a victim of murder, but that does not change the fact that he was also a victimiser of many babies who could have survived outside the womb. Just as the murder of Dahmer in prison does not change the fact he was a butcher before he died, sane goes with Tiller.
Unless you are willing to denounce any who say the serial killer Dahmer was butcher before he was murdered, you are the hypocrite.
This is the first murder of an abortion doctor in ten years. Want to bet whether or not plenty of conservative Christians were killed in that timespan by those who dislike Christians (which make them more like pro-choicers)?
You tried the Dahmer comparison before. It didn't work then, and it still doesn't work. (And it won't wrk when you trot it out the next time, either.)
Dahmer was a confessed, convicted murderer. Dr. Tiller was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.
Yeah yeah yeah, we know: it's a crooked system in Kansas. Tiller paid off all the judges and prosecutors and juries in the state. People just aren't smart enough that terminating pregnancies is EXACTLY like murdering babies... except they're not babies until they're born, so it's not murder. And God spoke to you personally to assure you that He considers this murder. Yada yada yada.
Jeffrey Dahmer was (literally) a butcher. Dr. Tiller was a surgeon who performed legal procedures, and was not a butcher.
The difference isn't that hard to see, if you just open your eyes and try.
Keep telling yourself that, Diogenes. You are so deceived. Perhaps, you should open your heart because your eyes are blinded to the truth.
Tiller was a monster, and he is reaping the evil that he sowed. His murder was wrong, but frankly, I'm glad he's not around to take anymore innocent lives.
Hell for eternity is a hot, lonely, painful place, and he has only just begun to experience its reality.
You call yourself a Christian, but isn't it rather odd that nearly all Christians oppose abortion. I guess you are the "enlightened one" and we all missed the "truth".
As a personal issue, I don't believe in abortion but, as an American, I'm not about to impose MY values, or yours, or anyone else's, on other people. That's an individual's choice to make.
It amazes me how many Religious Rightwingnuts are constantly preaching the virtues of "small government". Well, actually, not "always". When it comes to imposing their own social and religious beliefs on others, THEN Religious Rightwingnuts are all in favor of big government.
And wow, it took you just a little more than a month to fo from a cursory "murdering Tiller was wrong" to "I'm happy he's gone". In another few weeks, you'll be nominating Scott Roeder for "Religious Rightwingnut of the Year".
And if Dr. Tiller is in hell, I hope he saves space for those who revel in his murder. Pack a fan, and drink plenty of water.
Diogenes, it sounds like you are saying that a baby...oops, I mean developing humanoid creature... is not human until the moment he is born. This arbitrary point in time presents all kinds of weird implications.
How about if the baby is halfway-born? Is he then half-human? Also, consider snowflake children. Snowflake children are removed from the womb and frozen until the pregnancy is continued in another woman's womb. If you follow the previous line of reasoning, then snowflake children are non-human in the early stages of pregnancy, human after they are removed from the womb and frozen, non-human again when they are transplanted into another womb, and human again after they are removed from the womb for a second time. Your choice of birth as the beginning of a baby's human life also leads to the weird implication that a baby is human immediately after birth but non-human only hours before.
I can think of another difficulty as well. How do you define birth? Does birth occur the moment the baby "breaks the plane", to use NFL terminology? Or does birth occur when the baby's entire body is out of the womb? Or maybe the baby must be only halfway out of the womb.
You have said yourself in another thread here that you are Christian. I will assume then that you believe what the Bible says. I have never read anything in the Bible which explicitly defines the moment that a baby becomes human, but there are a few places which give us some idea. You have probably heard some of these, since they are quoted a lot by pro-lifers.
1. John the Baptist "leaped for joy" in the womb when he was in the presence of (the unborn) Jesus. (Luke 1:39-45)
2. There are many other places where the Bible mentions pregnancies and unborn babies, and never is there any indication that they are anything less than human beings. As a textbook might say, looking up these verses is left as an exercise for the reader. (Partly because I'm tired and need to go to bed and partly because there are so many verses in the Bible about pregnancies.)
Diogenes, you just blew your argument when you said, "As a personal issue, I don't believe in abortion." Why would you oppose abortion if you believe the fetus is not a baby? That makes no sense.
By the way, did you notice how reasonable the anti-abortion types were at the Sotomayor hearings today. Not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES lunatics had to be hauled out of the hearing and arrested for shouting out anti-abortion comments. Did they interrupt the rightwingers? Nawwww. Each interruption occured while a Democratic senator was speaking, and none of the three was addressing the topic of abortion.
These guys are kooks, and you glorify them. Hell, if they shot one of the Democratic senators, you'd probably canonize them!
Diogenes, I'm still waiting for your response to my last comment.
What are you talking about "shooting senators"? I believe it was you leftists that made jokes and a movie about shooting Bush.
I DID answer your question, Ms. Moore, in a quite lengthy comment that didn't get posted. And, quite frankly, it's not worth my effort to try answering it again.
As for what I'm talking about in "shooting senators" did you forget what the general topic of this thread is? Remember: a pro-choice doctor who performed abortions that was gunned down by a Religious Rightwingnut? And you and the cheerleaders who think it wasn't such a bad deal, all around?
Never received your lengthy response, Diogenes, or I would have posted it.
Fair enough.
"Remember: a pro-choice doctor who performed abortions that was gunned down by a Religious Rightwingnut? And you and the cheerleaders who think it wasn't such a bad deal, all around?"
I thought it was bad deal. But that does not change the fact that Tiller was a monster.
It is not the first time a wicked human being was murdered. While I deplore murder of even such a person, no matter who the person may be, it still won't change what he was before he was killed.
And keep telling yourself only religious rightwingnut do this. Your own side, even without abortion, has blood on its hands, too, when it is directed at pro-lifers.
"These guys are kooks, and you glorify them. Hell, if they shot one of the Democratic senators, you'd probably canonize them!"
Nope, pro-lifers do not canonize murderers of any kind, be it abortion doctors or those who murder abortion doctors. You canonize abortion doctors it seem on this forum.
And actually, what you suggested has been done. Except, it was a pro-abortionist politician who murdered a pro-lifer politician.
http://www.rightgrrl.com/2001/belltolls.shtml
For Whom The Bell Tolls? Not For Pro-life Victims!
By Bonnie Chernin Rogoff
Rightgrrl Contributor
Founder, Jews For Life
Now, about that guy, Byron Looper, the one I mentioned back at the beginning of this article? He was a pro-abortion county property assessor who ran for office against pro-life state Senator Tommy Burks. From the HLI document comes the following: "Looper shot Burks in the left eye with a heavy-caliber pistol near a pumpkin patch where Burks planned to take schoolchildren on a hayride later that day, then boasted to his friends "I did it, man, I did it! I killed that dude!"
This murder of a pro-life Democrat Senator occurred at about the same time abortionist Barnett Slepian was murdered. The media coverage was abysmal. No Special FBI task force, no hunt for co-conspirators. When violence is directed against pro-lifers, the silence is deafening. Outside of local newspapers in Tennessee, and Steve Ertelt's Prolife Infonet, there was virtually no coverage of this horrific murder.
Don't go looking for Gloria Feldt demanding retribution for Burks' death. Don't expect calls for a special investigation by Kate Michelman of NARAL. They won't be crying bitter tears. Nor will the "pro-choice" media sound the alarm for justice.
The bell tolls mutely for pro-life victims
People murder other people every day. That's a sad fact of life. The key is, was this politician murdered simply because he was "pro life"? Was he murdered because he was doing his legally-permissable job?
If he was, then it comes close to being a parallel for the Tiller murder at the hands (allegedly) of Scott Roeder. But not quite, to be honest.
There's got to be one of those proverbial special places in hell for a supposedly religious person who labes themselves "pro LIFE" that commits a murder. It just shows the hypocrisy of many in the so-called "pro LIFE" movement: they're not pro LIFE at all; they're really just ANTI abortion. What happens to that life after delivery is of ittle concern for them. And the death penalty? Forget about it; fry the bastards!
No, it's rarely about being pro LIFE.
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